17 year old kills booner... ethical?

http://www.inquisitr.com/1696496/monster-buck-worth-almost-20k-escapes-hunting-pen-teen-kills-it/

I thought I would post this and see what the forum thought of this story. Its a quick read.

My thoughts were mixed. The teen was aware of the deer escaping the preserve, so I thought it was premeditated and seemed wrong. However on the flip side I put myself in his shoes. You are 17, you see a monster that you are aware has escaped from a game preserve, what would you do?....

What a shoddily written article.

"The boy knew the deer was in the area, reports Field & Stream, because he’d seen it on a trail camera image and heard about the escape previously.

So which is it? Did the farm know of the escape or not?

As far as ethics go, as long as the kid had the legal right to kill that deer, I see no issue with it. The farm should have taken more care not to let their animals escape. I wonder if they will test it for CWD.

he knowingly shot a pen raised animal that is someone else's property and he thinks it's an accomplishment?......not in my book..........would I kill it if it was fair game and not considered the taking of property owned by someone else? yup, but as they say "it is what it is".

his property? His buck. If I leave a $20 bill on a park bench I don't expect it to still be there. The company should do a better job protecting their investment. What would they do anyhow trample all over his land and tranq it?

Good for the buck for escaping and good for the kid for killing it. $20k? good lord...

he knowingly shot a pen raised animal that is someone else's property and he thinks it's an accomplishment?......not in my book..........would I kill it if it was fair game and not considered the taking of property owned by someone else? yup, but as they say "it is what it is".

But shooting pen raised deer is a challenge

I don't see anything wrong with killing it. Its just that when mounted hanging on your wall, the story that goes along with the kill will be let down.

he knowingly shot a pen raised animal that is someone else's property and he thinks it's an accomplishment?......not in my book..........would I kill it if it was fair game and not considered the taking of property owned by someone else? yup, but as they say "it is what it is".

playing devils advocate, what if he didn't know it was pen raised? there's nothing illegal about it.

WNY do you really think it had CWD???

playing devils advocate, what if he didn't know it was pen raised? there's nothing illegal about it.

but the article said he knew about it, so figured I'd just stick to that instead of adding "what if's" to my comment.

WNY do you really think it had CWD???

He forgot "baiting" wasn't legal in NY..lol

I tend to believe once the deer escapes, it is no longer the property of the business.  

When you lose something in the ocean, it belongs to whoever salvages it because it's considered abandoned, unless it was insured.  If it was insured, the insurance co. pays off on it and it is then legally theirs.  This buck may have been insured too, but once it's dead I don't think the insurance company would want to take it back.  

The ranch lost it to the wilderness and the young man salvaged it.  It won't qualify for B&C, but it will look good on his wall and have an interesting story to go along with it forever.

I doubt that B&C would recognize it so techically, it's not a booner.

"Rather than notify Stillwater that their deer had escaped, he went ahead with the hunt."
The above quote taken from the story speaks volumes about the "hunter"...................

"Rather than notify Stillwater that their deer had escaped, he went ahead with the hunt."

The above quote taken from the story speaks volumes about the "hunter"...................

I'm still thinking stillwater needs his permission to retrieve it and he's not obligated to let them on. Honestly, I would let them know. I would then still hunt it. Maybe if they offered some money for it then it would change.

I would have no interest in shooting this deer. Since trying to hold this buck alive for ransom would most likely be impossible, I would have offered the game farm an opportunity to capture it on my land for something like $10K. $10K up front regardless of whether they catch or not. Then took that $10k and went on a nice hunting trip or 2.

Personally, I would have reported it to the preserve so that they could try to recover the deer they invested in.  Just seems like the right thing to do.  Whether I agree with preserve hunting or not, it was their property.  Just like if I lost my wallet in the woods, I would hope someone would return it if found, including all contents.

Now lets say that the company didn't recover it, gave up and it stayed wild for a couple of years, I probably would pull the trigger too since by then they have abandoned it.

The story took place in Ohio. 

In NY, however, wildlife such as deer are considered the property of the state. The deer may be on your land, but you don't "own" it - NYS does. That's why you need a license to hunt and why the state can restrict hunting.

I'm curious how that rule applies to a situation like this. If the deer was raised on a private preserve, does it now belong to the property owner? That starts bringing wildlife into "pet" territory (which is not a good thing).

Regardless of the ethical question, I wonder about the legal question. If this happened in NY and the shooter was a licensed hunter following all the usual rules... did he legally take a deer, or did he kill someone's private property?

I'm still thinking stillwater needs his permission to retrieve it and he's not obligated to let them on. Honestly, I would let them know. I would then still hunt it. Maybe if they offered some money for it then it would change.

my point is, the kid knew the deer was a pen raised animal that escaped its enclosure and in all reality belonged to someone else.......his choice is to kill it and put it out it as some type of accomplishment.....is it really much different then your dog getting out of your yard and someone taking it?

I think it would be considered livestock jrm.

He was just waiting for the day a deer would escape, LOL.

I wonder if it came with an ear tag.......

Personally, I would have reported it to the preserve so that they could try to recover the deer they invested in.  Just seems like the right thing to do.  Whether I agree with preserve hunting or not, it was their property.  Just like if I lost my wallet in the woods, I would hope someone would return it if found, including all contents.

 

Now lets say that the company didn't recover it, gave up and it stayed wild for a couple of years, I probably would pull the trigger too since by then they have abandoned it.

I wouldn't want an army of their employees screwing up my property to get it. Unless a chunk of money was involved I would like to continue to hunt my property with the deer unspooked.

The story took place in Ohio. 

 

In NY, however, wildlife such as deer are considered the property of the state. The deer may be on your land, but you don't "own" it - NYS does. That's why you need a license to hunt and why the state can restrict hunting.

 

I'm curious how that rule applies to a situation like this. If the deer was raised on a private preserve, does it now belong to the property owner? That starts bringing wildlife into "pet" territory (which is not a good thing).

 

Regardless of the ethical question, I wonder about the legal question. If this happened in NY and the shooter was a licensed hunter following all the usual rules... did he legally take a deer, or did he kill someone's private property?

how do you fine a hunter who didn't know it was an escaped pen raised deer?

I wouldn't want an army of their employees screwing up my property to get it. Unless a chunk of money was involved I would like to continue to hunt my property with the deer unspooked.

 

 

how do you fine a hunter who didn't know it was an escaped pen raised deer?

the kid knew it was escaped.....I'm pretty sure that's very clear in the story.

good for him it could have spread something to the wild population

I would have told them about it but at the same time I am not sure if I would want them running all over my land during deer season to retrieve it and mess up my year.Dammed if you do,dammed if you don't sort of thing.